I Will Go To Him = My Child Is In Heaven?
Posted by Brian Thornton on June 6, 2007
Pulpit Magazine’s posting of a MacArthur answer to a question about the age of accountability has – not surprisingly – generated strong positions on both sides of the issue.
One side (mine and others) says that God certainly can save infants and children who die, but that it is not an automatic given. The other side (Johnny Mac and others) says that, since these children never reached an age where they could tell right from wrong, God doesn’t hold their fallen state due to original sin against them, and they are automatically saved. In reality, there are at least two more positions on this issue. One – God doesn’t save any infants who die because they never heard and responded to the gospel (similar to the person in some remote part of the world who never hears the gospel). And, Two – God only saves the infants who die whose parents are believers.
As expected, whenever discussing this topic, David’s comments in 2 Sam. 12:23 concerning the death of his own son has been cited numerous times, and it is this verse that I would like to address in this post. Here is what David says about his son who had just died:
But now he has died; why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I will go to him, but he will not return to me.
That’s it. That’s all of it. And many great and godly people have interpreted what David says here to mean that he would eventually see his son again in heaven. What I want to do is to try and view David’s comments in light of the context of what is being talked about…not what someone may assume is being talked about. Here is what we know from the text:
- “But now he has died” – David’s son has just died. So the context of his conversation with those around him concerning his fasting/not fasting is his son’s death. Death is the context from which to view this passage (go back and read this chapter starting at verse 18). There is nowhere a mention of life, or eternal life, or heaven anywhere in this passage. The subject is David’s son’s death.
- “Can I bring him back again?” – David is asking a rhetorical question of whether or not he can bring his son back. But, back from what? Back from the dead. The context of David’s comments is still death…the death of his son.
- “I will go to him” – David is simply saying that he will go to his son. But, what does he mean? Where is his son that he will go to him there? We will come back to this one since it is the main focus of this whole post. But first I want you to see the context from which David makes this statement to see what he means by it.
- “but he will not return to me” -Again, David is making the statement that his son will not return back to him. But back from what? The correct context from which to read these words from David is death…the death of his son, and the fact that his son will not return to life from the dead.
So, I hope we can agree that the proper context from which to read David’s statements is the death of his son (from verse 18 onward). Everything David says here is concerning the fact that his son is dead. Now we can read the part of the verse that I believe many have misinterpreted by pulling David’s words out of the context of his son’s death and made them incorrectly refer to his and his son’s eternal life in heaven.
David says, “I will go to him, but he will not return to me.”
I submit that the clear reading of this statement – based upon the context in which these statements are being made – is that David is saying that he will one day die as his son has died, and that he will join his son in death, but that his son will not rejoin him in life.
Does this mean that David’s son is now in hell? Not at all. I contend that it is entirely possible for David’s son to be in heaven, for God can save whomever he wishes. My point is that one cannot infer that from this passage. To do so is to do damage to the text. And to develop a theology which MacArthur and others teach concerning an age of accountability using this text is nothing short of mishandling Scripture. The only clear and reasonable reading of this statement by David – which leaves it in its proper context – is to understand that David is talking about the death of his son and his own future death, and not his son’s eternal dwelling place.
Steve Camp has done a much more thorough and in-depth review of this topic in his article back in May titled How Wide is the Narrow Road. I encourage anyone who is interested in this whole topic to read Steve’s handling of this issue. It is perhaps the most consistent and biblical I have seen. Here is a portion of what Steve says in the article.
It’s hard to fathom, but that little phrase, “I shall go to him…” is the foundational Scriptural evidence given to forming this doctrinal conviction. Most evangelicals who hold to this belief, assert that David was stating an immutable theological truth, “That my son is in heaven, as all children are in heaven, and one day I will go to him.” What is surprising to many of us who do not hold to this view, is that this application of this one verse resembles more of a prooftexting than it does a clear exegesis of the text.
This text interpreted in that fashion, may come from what I call a “sentimental hermeneutic.” David is not expressing in those words a theological certainty; he is expressing grief and a desire to be with his son. This is a common emotion in a time of death especially when the loss was attributed to his own sinfulness. To make it something more seems out of context within the text.
In closing, Steve says this:
Take heart in this beloved, that the Lord from before the foundations of the earth has known His own; and He will not lose one of them. Christ on the cross propitiated the Father, redeemed His own and brought us into peace with God forever. Nothing can separate us from His love.
If you have gone through the loss of a child, or someone who has been mentally handicapped their entire life, or maybe you are burdened about what happens to others that have never heard the gospel before and have died, how do you get resolve in those uncertain and painful situations? Run to the character of God and fix your heart and mind on who He is. Know that He is Sovereign and will work all things for His glory and our good. This is called faith. When the Scriptures seem silent on an issue such as these, then find your comfort and solace in His care and character.



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Johnny T. Helms said
When my dad died suddenly at the young age of 53, I was devastated. I had to drive for 45 minutes in order to get to the hospital where his body had been taken. My wife and I prayed after getting in the car for God to have mercy on my dad who had been a wicked man. I cried out to God over and over again as I sobbed and drove to the hospital, “Have mercy upon my dad,” and I suddenly had the peace of God and the assurance that He will do what is right. I recovered myself and knew that it was true. I can have peace knowing God’s righteous judgments even if my dad did finally perish.
Samantha said
Praise the LORD that we can trust Him to be perfectly Just and Fair
a suburban housewife said
We have lost a child; it is a painful and heartrending experience. Believe it or not, there were the thoughtless pithy comments like, “Oh, you know guys- Romans 8:28. Don’t forget!!” Like that was going to make all the pain disappear. We sat in the hospital room in Van Nuys, CA- two blocks away from Grace Community Church (where we attended while my husband was in seminary at TMS)- and were surrounded by 3 staff pastors from there (John MacArthur wasn’t there- he was out of town). Not once did they tell me that Owen was in heaven, but they did comfort me by telling me that Owen wouldn’t experience the earthly temptation to sin, nor would anyone ever sin against him. And they also shared with us the encouragement that our son’s death was just one of the “groanings” of a creation that is longing for its Creator to return.
At the end of the day, my husband and I had to comfort one another with Abraham’s words, “Will not the Judge of the earth do what is right?” Because of sin and its devastating effects on everything it touches, sometimes there are no tidy packaged answers. But I will say this one more thing: any time we comfort someone who has lost a child, or any loved one, our speech should be marked by grace.
Brian Thornton said
I am so sorry for the loss of your child, and I appreciate you for being willing to post about it. Amen to your comments that our speech should be marked with grace when talking to parents who have lost a child.
Grace and peace to you. Thanks for commenting.
Greg said
Brian,
Yes, we agree that in a general sense David was talking about death. His son had died, and David would one day die as well.
You say, “The only clear and reasonable reading of this statement by David – which leaves it in its proper context – is to understand that David is talking about the death of his son and his own future death, and not his son’s eternal dwelling place.” But “death” is not just a condition or state. David didn’t just say, “I will one day be as he now is (in other words, dead).” Death involves going to a PLACE. He said, “I shall GO to him (in other words, I will one day go where he now is).”
The question, we would all agree, is, Where did David think his son was? The answer, as many have pointed out, is found in David’s emotional response to the news his son had died. He had been grieving for days as his son was ill. Now that the child had died, the servants were shocked (SHOCKED I say!) that he was not exhibiting even more profound grief.
What was the reason for his newfound peace? The belief that he would one day go to be where his son now was. And the only place that would bring such comfort is the place of comfort and rest, the place where God dwells.
Steve Camp says, “He is expressing grief and a desire to be with his son. This is a common emotion in a time of death especially when the loss was attributed to his own sinfulness.” But that’s wrong! He was not expressing grief! He was expressing a new found comfort and peace! And he wasn’t just expressing a DESIRE to be with his son, he was expressing a confident expectation: “I SHALL go to him.”
Accusing the many bible-believing, godly men who have viewed this text in this way as “mishandling Scripture” is a very serious charge, especially when the context clearly points to their interpretation.
Thanks, Greg
Brian Thornton said
Greg,
You are reading too much into what David says. He does not say, “I will eventually go to where my son is currently spending eternity, and that is heaven”…he says, “I will go to him, but he will not return to me.”
The context – based upon the second part of the statement (”he will not return to me”) – is death…not eternal life. David is saying he will one day join his son in death, but that his son will not return to him from the dead.
There are other examples in the OT of people using similar language about going to be with someone, and the context being joining them in death, or being with them in death. – Gen 37:35, Job 7:8-10
Greg said
Brian,
My points still stand.
1) Whatever death involves, it involves going to a PLACE, and David understood this. That is why he said, “I will GO to him.” Going involves moving from one place to another. This cannot be denied.
2) What place was it? A place that–knowing his child was there and he would one day join him–brought David sudden peace and comfort after being in extreme anguish while the child was ill.
3) David was certain (”SHALL”) that he would one day go to the place his son now was.
The verses you cite only prove my point. They acknowledge that when a person dies, he leaves this earth for another PLACE and cannot return to this place (in fact, that very word “place” is used in Job 7:10–NKVJ, NIV).
Let’s say you went to a funeral home to visit a member of your church who had lost his mother to death. You saw that he was not weeping and said, “You seem to have such peace!” He responds, “While my mother was sick, I cried out to the Lord to heal her. But now that she is dead, why should I weep? It won’t make her come back to life. I have peace because I know that although she cannot come back to me, I will one day go to be with her.”
Now, what you think that person believes about what happened to his mother? Would you simply think, “He thinks she has died and that he will one day join her in death.” Or would you assume that this man truly believes his mother is in heaven (rightly or wrongly) and believes that he will one day go to heaven to be with her (rightly or wrongly)?
I truly believe that is what David believed.
Thank you for this interaction.
Greg
Des Moines, IA