You won’t be disappointed.

Jack,

I have the audio version with Max McLean as well. His voice is so good on something like this. My kids are really enjoying this version with the paintings.

I would be more than willing to discuss what you believe as a Seventh-Day Adventist, so if you would like to do that, send me an email and we can do that privately. I would try to have that discussion in a public forum here, but I fear it would quickly spiral into meaningless accusation rather than being biblically focused.

Sorry, Glen…next time I will check first to make sure the person I am talking to at least holds to biblical, orthodox Christianity before I begin a discussion on matters such as these.

May God grant you grace to know His Son. Until we can agree on who Jesus is, and what it means to be one of His disciples, we can have no meaningful discussions on other topics.

Well, at least I finally got to the bottom of your error. And it is a big error.

Scripture cannot be any clearer – Jesus cannot be any clearer – that the punishment for the wicked is eternal, just as the reward for the righteous will be eternal. No wonder the atonement means nothing to you…for the fate of the wicked in your view is one of annihilation…they, according to you, will know nothing of God’s wrath and judgment for any duration. Scripture rebukes you on this, and does so clearly:

Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the ETERNAL FIRE prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’ Then they also will answer, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to you?’ Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’ And these will go away into ETERNAL PUNISHMENT, but the righteous into eternal life.” – Matthew 25:41-46

And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into hell, WHERE THEIR WORM DOES NOT DIE AND THE FIRE IS NOT QUENCHED. – Mark 9:47-48

It is eternal, my friend. It is never-ending. It is everlasting.

But we are not going to have a discussion on the existence of hell. I can see now that we have no foundation upon which to talk about the issues here. I pray you will come to know the truth.

The concept of hell is probably the main doctrine that makes more atheists, and drives more people away from the Church, than any other concept. It’s a very contradiction of God’s character of love. So let me clear it up for you.

The Bible says that there is no “hell”, as in people burning right now. Don’t get me wrong, I believe the wicked will get punished, but not in eternal torment down below. According to Scripture, Hell is the final punishment (2nd Death) when God establishes the New Jerusalem on earth, as seen in Revelation 20. It will be like the punishment of Sodom and Gomorrah, when God rains down fire and brimstone, and the effects will be “eternal”. That’s what the term means. Sodom and Gomorrah were never rebuilt, God’s punishment lasted forever or eternally in this case.

Think about it. What was the first lie ever told? “You shall not surely die”. This lie has crept into Christianity, with the concept of an immortal soul. The immortality of the soul concept was borrowed from Socrates/Plato, who studied Egyptian mythology. The Catholic church included it in its doctrines and now we have it as a popular, yet misguided belief. Did you know that no where in the Bible is “immortal soul” mentioned. Only God has immortality (1 Tim 6:16), and it was Satan’s lie to Eve that if she ate of the fruit, she’d be like God (Immortal).

So to tie it all together, what are the wages of sin in Romans 6:23? Death, not eternal punishment. It continues, “but the gift of God is eternal life”.
It ties in perfectly with John 3:16, “…that whoever believes in Him should not PERISH but have everlasting life. Not everlasting torment. Perish implies something short lived: (i.e. perishes in a car accident. Please bring non-perishable items, things that can last a while.)

Hope this helps. God bless.

If Jesus died for everyone and paid for everyone’s sins, then what are people in hell for? How can they be spending an eternity in hell for something that has already received its punishment and payment?

The last bit were rhetorical questions to show you the flaws of your logic. I’ll take your word on that church, maybe they’re too reformed.

You haven’t addressed 70% of my comment regarding ‘kosmos’?

I just showed you that kosmos from those definitions can’t mean “only believers” like you claim, especially given in context with verse 17. So that text alone should show us that Christ did indeed die for the ‘world’, but only those who believe and accept his grace will be saved. Simple exegesis of that text.

“…even little babies who He did not love.”

Wow. What a cruel God we have. It’s statements like these that turn people away from Christianity. How’s your church growth doing?